In light of the John Paulus confession and in light of the fact that he mentioned that the webam escapade was really a conversation between Clay and some women, someone figured it was time to bring out the proof that there was NO webcam escapade. It didn't happen, folks, with anyone. Here is a dose of history (with some additions) for those who want a refresher and for those who never saw ..... THE BIG BUST!
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IF we ever find out who started this mess, I would really like to know why Clay Aiken is so threatening to anyone!
It seems to be too childish that fans of other idols would go to the lengths seen here and elswhere to ruin a person.
Why Clay Aiken? The answer to that question REALLY needs to be answered.
Anon, that is a question I hope we find the answer to someday. I've had a few theories and sometimes either of those or the little blips that dart across my mind seem so far fetched but then so did most of the past years events.
Theory 1: JP was a stalker with stars in his eyes for the most beautiful man on the planet and would never be satisfied until he was noticed even if it meant tearing up his innocent victim's reputation just to be able to breathe the same air in a Court of Law...at all costs to himself. He just happened to fall into Groucho's and Emach's lap after they were caught teaming up and plotting back in July or August 2005 for "something big" to take Clay down.
Theory 2: Emach and Groucho and/or possibly others teamed up to run the scam and found JP a viable front man... this is what Paulus is claiming.
Theory 3: The Clive/RCA Conspiracy. This one seems more and more possible to me everyday and I don't think it's so much about the "Rotting insides" remark but more about Clay refusing to compromise his own standards. We've all seen Clay "edgy" in concert (HAVE MERCY) but he's not going to let himself be known for or be seen on TV displaying crass behavior, drunk and brawling, a heartless womanizer. He WANTS to be the best person he can be and I don't think he wants to be perfect, just a decent human being. Because the music industry is so warped in thinking that "good" behavior doesn't sell, THEY had to dirty him up and teach him a lesson at the same time. "Compromise as we say, even if you lose yourself completely. OR ELSE."
What I keep coming up with, though, in my mind is that it's an RCA hit... Clive to Roger to Goldman and OC slime, filtered down from there to the subslime of Gay activists/gossip mongers who are very adept at character assassination.
The thing in all this is that Clay is the stronger so this is one time that good wins over evil. Clay didn't have to do a thing; he let them all self destruct with our help. He didn't need to get into this thing...he had us.
This sounds more like material for a new blog instead of a comment.
Actually, it sounds like the Goddamned Twilight Zone and Outer Limits combined.
My version of history-
2003 An embittered hardcore group of R u b e n fans hatch a plan for revenge and an attempt to clear the way for their Idol. Being the homophobes that they are, they decided the best way to make Clay appear ridiculous was to make him appear to be gay. They got busy setting up accounts that could look like Clay on various gay male social sites.
At some point they looked for a real person in Raleigh to try to stage a series of documentable emails. This is when they found Mr. JP. Quite a friendship they struck up too, convincing JP that Mr. CA was an unworthy person and that he'd be doing the world a favor. They fed his ego, stroked his insanity, and promised him an intro to a famous name in the porn world, Mr. ML. You see, one of our haters knows how to contact people in the entertainment and journalism field. Mr ML's headquarters are conviently located in Manhattan. Working in tandem with a gossip blogger, also conveniently located, the plan was well under way.
Meanwhile, letter writing campaigns to descredit Mr. CA in any way possible continued.
In life, like seems to find like and the internet is no different. Some of the most depraved, confused and bitter were attracted to the online event known as "the mess"
Let's not get confused. There may have been some cling ons along the way, but the ones behind this fraud were the very ones that were discovered talking about some of their activities on their boards and giggled and smirked about all their manhunt activities. I guess they didn't think we were watching them just because we were not confronting them.
****Do not publish****
I am the other admin. from the blog you've been talking about. It's laughable that you can even compare us to Tinny's! Both of us admins. are fans, as are most of the people there. We are just a blog that allows open discussion, discussion that's not allowed on most of the boards! We do not delete fans comments.. a few were deleted yesterday, because they referred to WSCA and conspiracy theories. I also find that funny because how many comments do you not publish because they don't fall in line with your way of thinking? We only delete the ones that we think may cause trouble. And rest assured, I am a fan.. in fact, I use to post right alongside you on a board! So please, leave our little corner of the internet alone.
Thanks! :)
Oops! My bad?
Anon 2:27......How can you be a fan and have an agenda that causes harm to Clay?
You are fans alright but not of Clay. I gave the first person the courtesy of not having her comment published but as I watched and you started deleting any comment from Clay's actual fans that offered proof of the TRUTH, you deleted them. Why is that? It wasn't because it would cause trouble unless you think that the TRUTH is trouble for your little game.
Your bluff has been called.
I believe RCA's part in this was that they did nothing to help Clay. They may have hoped to benefit somehow in the climate of the publicity as leverage in dealing with Clay. Somehow I feel like all is well now.
OhCrap - you did good my friend. I have not been to that blog, but have read the comments and hear from others who say certain comments get deleted.
To those that run that blog - Don't make the mistake that JP and others have of assuming that we're stupid. You may be fans, but your definition of "fan" is different to ours. It's clear that your agenda is not a "neutral" one. We've been fed bullshit long enough to know it's stink from a mile away...
If you really ARE fans of Clay Aiken - then you'll do the right thing by pulling your blog. But you won't. After all - it's all about "having your say"; no matter who it hurts - right?
I think RCA was behind the scam and JP is using the haters as scapegoats. It would be difficult to prove the haters were behind it, but the fingerpointing would go in their direction; therefore, the real culprits go free. Unless a crime was committed and the lawyers want to go after someone. I doubt that would happen as it appears to be another day at the office.
Of course, I think PaulASS should be outed as a total fraud, and a few of the haters should be humiliated for their role in this.
If RCA was out to get Clay...why wouldn't they just drop him like a hot potato like they did with Justin Guarini??
I don't understand how RCA works and why CLay gets no radio play or if RCA has anything to do with that...But, RCA wants to make money. THey make money off Clay. Even with no radio play. If they have to do a payola to play CLay...they really don't need to. He makes RCA money without the payola.
I can't imagine them backstabbing him...would they??? I dunno. Biting one of the fingers that feeds them???
I understand your point, 1:09PM, but if RCA was so interested in protecting Clay's interests, they would have supported Clay and ATDW and shredded JP's credibility. Especially since it was all a lie. Their actions (or lack of them) speak for themselves.
There's a conflict of interest between the label and the franchise. The franchise dictates terms to a certain extent, and seeks to fill whatever box needs filling in the Idol stable. Pop/rock was designated for Daughtry. Clay's own album was deep-sixed in favor of covers, as that was the box designated for Clay. Why else would a superstar be relegated to niche artist status? Plus, he wouldn't outsell the Chosen Ones and Daughtry, despite not winning, was a Chosen One.
IF Clay is leaving after this CD, that would give the label the added incentive to devalue him before sending him off to the competition if they could not agree to terms in contract renegotiations.
Hm...very interesting theories. I could also be easily convinced.
That was me, "crew", at 1:09, btw. It wouldn't let me put in my username.
Crew, Blogger has been whacky since I upgraded. Some people never learn that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Trying to improve a product sometimes screws it up totally.
The people that are the "helpers" in this crap were used as much as any one else. I'm not sure if they realize that Percodan aka Midol or whatever drug they are going by now realize once they helped BB they broke the law.
And for the life of me, the man just said he made it all of it up and the former helpers now do not believe his recanting story.
Good Grief Charlie Brown!
Oh well, interesting how many make get convicted for life because I am quite sure federal and state laws were broken in this charade aka
Impersonating someone on the internet is definitely against the law: Welcome to Tent City, PH, JP, Bina and Groucho. Looking forward to being sized for your disigner orange jumpsuits? They're Sheriff Joe Originals.
Hey OC,
Have you and the few claymates still here figured out yet that you are as full of it as your screenname suggests?
Hey, dumbass! You might find out that I'm smarter than you think. There are blogs popping up all over the place. Rolling stones gather no moss.
To Anon 8:35....No, but we figured out a long time ago that you are not full of it.....that would be actual working brain cells.
Hey, 8:35PM:
Aren't you supposed to be out on the gold course helping OJ find the real killers of Ron and Nicole?
While your on your way, stop at the Piggly Wiggly and pick up a few critical thinking skills. There seems to be a shortage of them over at C411.
Why is our old friend Adam emailing JP and wishing him well on his blog? Why would anyone want to make peace with that scum after the damage he has done?
I don't get it, seems like a slap in the face to me.
Adam has been very ill so I have my doubts that he emailed JP for anything. Besides that looks like an ancient post copied from a long time ago.
Wow! Deja Vu
I'm sorry. I just thought Adam did a good thing for Clay and the Claymates in the past. I just felt a little betrayed at the moment.
No problem. Everyone has a reason for what they do, right or wrong.
I peronally will never forgive John Paulus.
Adam was never a big Clay fan. He said so himself. Not sure what Adam might or might not do, but I think Adam was enjoying himself for a while, harassing jp but when things got too intense, Adam pulled out. Would he wish jp well? He might.
In defense of Adam: It's true that he made it clear that he was not a Claydawg or involved in the fandom but he was close enough to others who are and he was close enough to insiders to know that the MESS was lies. When the call went out for his help, he obliged lending his crazy personality to parody the ridiculous posts at the swamp. Unfortunately he and Carrie were dragged in deeper than they wanted to be, suffering threats and being made the subject of more lies themselves.
I did visit Adam's new site and found that he was addressing his name being mentioned at the swamp. Whether he was sincere in wishing JP well or not, I don't care because that is his choice and chances are there was a little sarcasm hidden in there. Again, it doesn't matter.
I let the bugger go after his confession and would prefer to stay focused on the asswipes who won't give it up even though they are caught with their pants down. Each time they formulate a new attempt we'll just give them a tighter wedgy. Pretty soon they will choke on their lies...and their wedgies.
Thank you for your explaination and input. I appreciate it
I just want to kick all the haters collective a$$e$. I am past the point of forgiveness. I want the 'pay back' to begin now. My mom always use to tell me that 'Revenge is mine sayeth the Lord'. However, I figured He wouldn't mind waiting his turn.
Don't those jackasses realize that the two torsos belong to two different men? Check out the chest hairs. One's a blond and one's a brunette. Both a lot heavier than Clay.
Do these morons realize that the Wyndham Hotel drapes can be found on the internet? That the torso shot connected to that story was taken in a motel room? Check out the short drapes behind that beer belly. Those sure don't look like Wyndham drapes to me.
BTW, Clay didn't stay at the Wyndham in Boston. Just in case anyone cares.
Wasn't all this bullcrap settled LAST year?
These idiots are like flies on
s--t, just buzzing around the same old moldy mound.
And they say WE are obsessed!!
All of last year's crap was voided with the proof of the photoshops and phony IMs. All the rehashing they could do won't change the fact that it didn't happen. That's why someone posted the proof AGAIN!
So now we have a new AI scandal involving Mario Vasquez that's almost as absurd as the Paula/Cory and Clay scandals. Antonella's was a blip on the radar of WHO CARES? Whomever thought this latest one up needs to check himself/herself into the Rick Campbell Tower for the Insane.
I am so sick and tired of the assholes, I could puke........on them. LOL!!!!! or spit, whichever came first.
I feel sorry for Vasquez, but he is not on my radar. Clay is, and this stupid shi...stuff just gives the gossips an haters an excuse to bring his name up. I guess I will need to be cool.
This one looks like a real lawsuit brought against AI/Freemantal and naming Vasques as one of the defendants.
Access Hollywood has a copy of the court papers.
TR
I know someone may have thought about this but has anyone considered in turning the tables on the haters of Clay and publish their names and profiles at Manhunt or other sites?
I figure what is good for the goose is good for the gander!
Let them feel the heat for a change!
Thanks, Art.
It's a shame some of us are blogging in hopes that others will see the truth when we'd really like to be planning how many concerts we can make with the schedule we have so far.
It's a shame that those seeking the kind of attention "Sue" mentions can't seek professional "listeners".
It's a shame when Clay or anyone isn't another person's cup of tea so the tea has to be laced with poison and with lies before they present it to someone else.
It's a shame when most Idol fans just want to enjoy their favorites but are continuously swatting the same flies on the same shit.
The only reason I pay any attention at all to this group of haters and their blogs is that they crossed the line from voicing their opinions to physically interfering with a life and a career. That I can't ignore and if in some small way I can make a difference in the consequences of their hateful actions, I will.
Sue's post was very good and right on target I think. I think Clay attracts these type of "haters" because he does have a very devoted group of fans, thus giving them the attention they so crave.
Very few people in the fandom paid ANY attention to the usual band of haters coming from 2 other Idol fanbases. Maybe 4 or 5 people were onto the things they were doing and only after someone stepped up to the plate and gave them up. The rest was discovery little by little as to what was going on behind the scenes that we were oblivious to. Now that the culprits and their tricks are exposed and they crossed over into criminal territory, you damned straight they'll receive some attention. The ultimate attention they may receive down the pike may not be to their liking.
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